The Shitshow of the 25th of June
#1
Your IGN: Dragon1240
Abuser?s IGN: Up for Silas to decide
Abuser?s rank: Mods/Guards
What the abuser was doing: Variety
When this happened: (Include date and timezone) 6/25/2018 from 4:40 PM to 5:20: PM (Server Time)
Proof: (insert an image or video here) Chat Logs: https://www.wattpad.com/594637816-mcp-ch...led-part-1
Most of the screenshots (If I am missing screenies please post in comments) https://imgur.com/a/mPg3ZJl
Additional info:


      Short Story:
      IanUniacke pays wrong person money. LittleLea and Cpt_PandaPantz threaten to ban and fine LiteViperMC who wrongfully received the money if he doesn't pay back. MasterOvie gets on and tells Lea and Panda that they can't do what they are trying to do.  A huge argument among staff members breaks out and people start making fun of MasterOvie. LittleLea gets muted by MasterOvie and LittleLea unmutes herself. Shit stirs and shit hits the fan.
 
    Detailed Story:
    It all started with IanUniacke buying an item from LittleLea for $160,000 when IanUniacke accidently paid LiteViperMC the money. LiteViperMC refused to give back the money after being asked by Cpt_PandaPantz and LittleLea. LittleLea and Cpt_PandaPantz then told LiteViperMC he would be banned for scamming if he did not return the money. LittleLea explained it was a mistake on IanUniacke's behalf and that LiteViperMC would have to return the money. It was at this point that MasterOvie logs on.

    After the situation is being explained to MasterOvie, MasterOvie then explains to LittleLea and Cpt_PandaPantz that it is not scamming and LiteViperMC does not have to return the money. LiteViperMC then goes on to ask the mods to explain how he is scamming which MasterOvie then again explains that he is not scamming. It was at this point that Miner01 typed in the chat "./eco take LiteViperMC 350394.99" (350394.99 was LiteViperMC's exact balance) MasterOvie explains to LittleLea and Cpt_PandaPantz that they cannot ban LiteViperMC for a mistake. LiteViperMC request something in return for the money. MasterOvie told LittleLea and Cpt_PandaPantz if they banned LiteViperMC they would be demoted.

    Cpt_PandaPantz then tells MasterOvie to stay out of it and that he wasn't even there when IanUniacke paid LiteViperMC, MasterOvie explains that it is his business based on what people are telling him. LittleLea then goes on to that mods make the choice and MasterOvie doesn't. Cpt_PandaPantz then goes on to tell MasterOvie that he is not a mod but a guard with mod perms. LittleLea tells MasterOvie he may want to be a guard but he is not one. Cpt_PandaPantz then tells LiteViperMC to pay it back again which LiteViperMC says they he shouldn't be banned because someone is incompetent. LiteViperMC tells Cpt_PandaPantz and LittleLea that if they ban him they will be demoted because in no way he did not break MCP's rules.

    Miner explains that common sense overrules all other rules which LiteViperMC explains that is is common sense that if he was sent money he is allowed to keep it. Cpt_PandaPantz says that it is common sense to return the money that was sent to him by accident. MasterOvie then says that he should give it back but he is not forced to give it back. It is at this moment that IcyCrevasse joins the game. Cpt_PandaPantz exclaims that Mods rules always. LittleLea says that Silas will just favor with the mods because this situation falls under the common sense rules. It was at the point all 3 of the online mods got together in Teamspeak and decided that they should fine LiteViperMC the money and give it to IanUniacke. As Well as possibly ban LiteViperMC for scamming,

    MasterOvie explains to LittleLea that she is not Silas and she doesn't know how he will react. LittleLea then goes on tell MasterOvie that he is so irritating. Cpt_PandaPantz tells them to just drop it. MasterOvie says that IanUniacke should've paid more attention. Cpt_PandaPantz says that Silas will take care of and if anyone has an issue with the way they are doing things to report them on the forums. LittleLea then says that her and Cpt_PandaPantz know what Silas will say because they talk to him alot. Cpt_PandaPantz says that MasterOvie doesn't have a say at all when it comes to mod's decisions. MasterOvie says that he has known Silas for 7 god damn years and he says he thinks what Silas would say.

  LittleLea then questions Silas ever giving MasterOvie power. LittleLea says its interesting that MasterOvie talks to Silas on a daily base. Cpt_PandaPantz says to drop it now and to make a report. MasterOvie says that he is not mad that LittleLea and IanUniacke wants the money back but he is mad that they want to ban and fine LiteViperMC for it. MasterOvie claims that LiteViperMC never broke a rule and says that if LittleLea and Cpt_PandaPantz can tell him what rule LiteViperMC to deserve a ban/fine but until they state which rule MasterOvie is on LiteViperMC's side.

    Dogtag93 points out that staff shouldn't argue in chat and that everyone needs to chill and it will all be handled on the forums. LittleLea tells Ovie that nobody cares. MasterOvie then quotes LittleLea's nobody cares statement it says that he cares if LittleLea is going to ban someone. Cpt_PandaPantz tells MasterOvie to drop it. Other players then state that staff shouldn't be arguing in chat, etc. MasterOvie says that staff arguing is perfect and MCP needs arguments.

  MasterOvie then proposes the idea of LiteViperMC giving half of the money back if they would still ban him. LiteViperMC says that he kinda wants to keep all of the money and MasterOvie says that would be being a dick. Dogtag93 is now fined a dollar mysteriously as a test. Cpt_PandaPantz tells LiteViperMC that the money is not his to keep and that he should just return it all. LiteViperMC explains that people are being dicks to him about the money and Cpt_PandaPantz says that if he returns it there won't be a ban. MasterOvie says there won't be a ban even if he didn't return it.

  MasterOvie once again asks what rule LiteViperMC is breaking, LittleLea responds to this by telling MasterOvie to stay out of mod business. MasterOvie says that he is a mod and should thus be apart of mods' business. Cpt_PandaPantz tells him he his a guard and not a mod and to get over himself. MasterOvie explains that he is a mod because he has mod perms. Cpt_PandaPantz and MasterOvie go back to back arguing over whether or not MasterOvie is technically a mod. Cpt_PandaPantz then asks if she should starting calling for swords and doing their jobs.

  MasterOvie then goes into history about the mod genocide and why we have the C,B,A,Head, and Sr guard system. Players continue to argue, LittleLea then says it looks trashy for MasterOvie to be fighting with your own staff team someone that MasterOvie is supposed to support and be a team with. Dogtag93, Miner01, question why MasterOvie hasn't been demoted stating if it was anyone else that they would have been demoted. Dogtag93 talk about how MasterOvie has stepped out of his boundaries as staff.

  Hypogre, Pb64 then call MasterOvie, MasterMovie , a term to mock MasterOvie. Cpt_PandaPantz and LittleLea then question the authority of MasterOvie, asking where the co's were and MasterOvie explains that they knew it was an insta-mute.

  LittleLea after seeing Pb64 and Hypogre being muted for calling MasterOvie, "MasterMovie" , telling him that it is uncalled for "MasterMovie", which she is then warned by MasterOvie if she says it again he will mute her. She then says ,"Good luck with that MasterMovie" which MasterOvie then mutes her for 15 minutes same as Pb and Hypogre. LittleLea then unmutes herself.

  More arguing happens in chat which then LittleLea reports everything to Silas via skype. Maelonic then logs on and tells MasterOvie that he has to warn players about mocking staff when they call MasterOvie, "MasterMovie." MasterOvie then sends her a forum post which Silas states MasterOvie instantly muting players for mocking staff is valid. ( http://forums.cdgs.net/index.php/topic,4...l#msg27679 )  After being shown the forums post she claims that would still have to do it and eventually it all settles down.

The End

What it comes down to: Staff shouldn't argue like that and should cooperate more. Other staff shouldn't intentionally try to antagonize other staff. We are all children.


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(Apr 5th, 2017, 02:56 PM)LaughNgamez link Wrote:No singing in Communist MCP Kappa

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"I don't think it's Dragon, I think he is just being retarded as usual." - zs471 4/26/2017

You will be remembered zs471, F.

(Sep 24th, 2017, 09:25 AM)zs471 link Wrote:You know I was actually just thinking to myself, 'You know who would be a good guard?' Then it came to me. Obviously Dragon1240 would be a good guard. +1
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I don't remember saying I talk to Silas everyday, I mean I ask him questions sometimes but still. 

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I don't know the situation as well as others, but Lite should give the money back because it's the right thing to do but "Do the right thing " is not in the rules anywhere. It would be different if it was an item that was dropped and Lite ran up and took it, but this was a mistake from doing 'Tab' in order to send it to lea it sent it to another name with L. So it isn't scamming, it's common sense to read over your message, especially commands that are sending off money. But you guys should not agrue in chat, especially if a new player joined and probably was like "Wow.." And left.
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In my completely worthless opinion I don't think anything should have been done passed LiteViper being paid the money. The only thing that should have occurred is that Ian should have asked for the money. It's not scamming by accidentally receiving money and he shouldn't face any consequences. "Being nice" isn't a rule and it should be left that way.

This whole thing, again (in my opinion) should be a learning lesson for Ian; always make sure of the commands you type before you execute them. 160k is a pretty small amount to get in such a predicament about in reference to the disagreement between Ovie/the mods.
#5
Didn't read it

If someone payed me money as a mistake, it's completely up to me to give it back if I want to.

Also scamming isn't/shouldn't be punishable.

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Boy I love having to decipher long text walls to figure out who's responsible for .0007669% of the server economy! /s

Before I actually resolve the issue let me start this off with saying that Moderators when not knowing how to respond to a situation shouldn't threaten a ban or any punishment. Particularly when I've had to comment on a similar report like this before. Bans/Mutes are to be used a punishment for set actions not for threats to get your way. This also goes for Miner making a threat to remove all of LiteViper's money.

Going further into the issue you guys argued a lot about common sense but when it came to your almost hour long argument none of you seemed to have any. It's natural for staff to have disagreements but arguing blatantly in general chat is incredibly immature. It should have been clear within a few messages that you were within a standstill and nothing would be done until an admin chimed in. Sometimes I think you guys like arguing/drama a bit too much.

If it wouldn't cause an even bigger shit show I'd demote the two of you (masterovie & LittleLea). masterovie for threatening to ban another staff member. LittleLea for having a track record of flame wars like this and valid mute against herself which historically been a 0 tolerance policy.


Moving forward to the actual issue.

Apparently I need to clarify on rules even more. Scamming on MCP is banned with things such as promising sales and not delivering. There are no rules against stealing whether it comes to intercepting a pickaxe or taking someones plot to the cleaners etc. Scamming enforcement is done on a case by case basis as there's a lot of variety to them.

For this issue it's the equivalent of IanUniacke throwing a pickaxe and LiteViperMC intercepting it. He'd have no responsibility to give the item back and so he has no responsibility to pay the money back.

While this may be unpopular this has always been my personal decision on the issue. MCP has a lot more player protection rules these days but not in this case.
Since masterovie had the right stance (despite liking to argue too much) it was right to stick up for a player who was being intimidated and ganged up on by staff members jumping the gun. You all took it too far though and should not result to attacking each other needlessly.

Take Away:
  • Moderators jumping the gun on threatening an unsure punishment due to personal loss in a transaction is improper and shouldn't be done.
  • Staff shouldn't argue in chat and players who chime in adding fuel to the fire need to shut up (you know who you are).
  • LiteViperMC actually handled this better than you all despite ban threats. He mainly waited for the issue to be resolved.
  • It sucks to be IanUniacke but $160,000 is not that much money to warrant a long argument like it did. Lea you have enough money it's practically a rounding error.
  • As stated above stealing is not scamming and this was stealing.
  • Apparently I need to clarify more things ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.








[size=0.7em]There may have been more things I should have covered with this post but it's late and I hate you all.[/size]


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#7
Clears it all up, Thanks Silas Smile

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P.S. This is the 2nd major shitshow caused by rules not be clarified.

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(Apr 5th, 2017, 02:56 PM)LaughNgamez link Wrote:No singing in Communist MCP Kappa

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"I don't think it's Dragon, I think he is just being retarded as usual." - zs471 4/26/2017

You will be remembered zs471, F.

(Sep 24th, 2017, 09:25 AM)zs471 link Wrote:You know I was actually just thinking to myself, 'You know who would be a good guard?' Then it came to me. Obviously Dragon1240 would be a good guard. +1
#9
Well said.
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Quote:[size=0.7em]There may have been more things I should have covered with this post but it's late and I hate you all.[/size]

that fine print 10/10!!


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